isn't paris hilton a socialite? what is going on here? are we insane at this point? who are -- who is broadwell? how does she get classified information? who approved that? that's what we should be addressing. whether or not petraeus passed along classified information, that's the issue. he says no. she says she didn't get it from him. how are they going to prove he delivered it to her if there is any? i don't think so. i agree with avery. petraeus, other than the humiliation he's feeling and the issue with his wife, he's going to walk away. >> richard, these are broad philosophical issues. are we insane here? i don't consider myself insane. i'm getting there. >> right. >> i do know that. is there an issue of cyber stalking between paula broadwell and jill kelley? it's a cyber cat fight. i think david petraeus has had communications -- he's a potential witness. let me tell you something. he has bob ben nett as his lawyer. he didn't hire bob for the fun of it. this is a real thing. when you start hanging out with kardashian type women that's what this looks like, well